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		<title>Govee temp RH units</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2025 09:37:04 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>revor</author>
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			<![CDATA[Recently got three of these units to monitor temperature in my poly tunnel. The spec is just what I need. Having great difficulty in setting them up, intermittent results trying to connect to my wifi. Think mostly due to lack of a proper user manual/instructions. Managed to get 2 set up but can only access the data when I am in site of the wifi access point they are connected to. I have the router in the house and 3 external wifi access points connected to it. These were set up when I installed 4 TP link Tapo cameras and wherever I am I can access any of the cameras without being, near any of the wifi points. What is on the Govee website is less than useful. Anyone got any experience of these units and know where there is a decent information to be found?]]>
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		<title>Weather stations</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2024 18:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>djh</author>
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			<![CDATA[I have been using weather information that a neighbour posted online, but that's disappeared now. I also use weather information from Wattisham airbase but it's six miles away. I can't see any data much closer on https://wow.metoffice.gov.uk/ so I've been thinking of buying a weather station. Does anybody own such a beast or have any positive or negative recommendations?<br /><br />I'm not interested in anything fancy but I would like rainfall to supplement the temperature and humidity I already have.]]>
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		<title>Joist moisture monitoring</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2024 15:30:08 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>big_mike</author>
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			<![CDATA[TL;DR:<br />I’m seeking recommendations on how to effectively monitor moisture levels in joists during a long-term renovation project.<br /><br />Background:<br /><br />I’m in the process of planning underfloor insulation for a 1970s bungalow situated on a hillside. Alongside the insulation, I intend to install underfloor heating. Due to the hillside location, I have good access to the floor from both sides: the concrete base is approximately 1 meter from the underside of the floor at the roadside end of the house and drops to around 2.5 meters at the garden end.<br /><br />Long term the goal is to approach Enerphit/Passivhaus levels where it is cost effective/sensible to do so. I have no intention of getting the place certified just want to make my home retirement ready i.e. minimise bills and maximise comfort (timeline is another 20 years till I retire) <br /><br />The floor is supported by 100mm joists, and according to the &quot;Guide to Best Practice Retrofit Floor Insulation – Suspended Timber Floors,&quot; these joists are considered a cold bridge, meaning they won't meet current building regulations. Specifically, a 4-inch joist is likely to have a U-value exceeding 0.7W/m²K, which does not satisfy the regulations.<br /><br />To address this, I plan to insulate underneath the joists as well. My current approach involves extending the damp proof course (DPC) using a liquid DPC, both above and below the existing DPC. I’m considering constructing a sub-floor using thermal boards and backfilling with wood fibre batts (such as SteicoFlex) with a vapor control layer (VCL) on top of the joists. Since the thermal boards are breathable, I believe a breathable membrane underneath isn’t necessary.<br /><br />One challenge I’ve identified is that the ends of the joists rest in a cavity, which seems like a potential area where moisture could accumulate and cause rot, even with breathable insulation this is an obvious cold junction.<br /><br />I consulted with a RIBA retrofit architect who suggested limiting insulation to the depth of the joists and persuading building control that this is the only viable option. However, I’m hesitant about this for two reasons:<br /><br />It doesn’t meet building regulations, particularly concerning cold bridging.<br />I aim to achieve a well-insulated floor with sufficient thermal mass to optimize the benefits of underfloor heating.<br />Alternative options I’m considering include:<br /><br />Shortening the joists, filling the cavity holes, and retrofitting blockwork hangers.<br />Shortening the joists, filling cavity holes, installing a wall plate, and hanging the joists from it.<br />In all scenarios, the insulation strategy would remain the same.<br /><br />The Question:<br /><br />Given that this renovation project will likely take over 10 years and the floor will be completed in stages, I want to pursue maximum insulation and the most reliable method of supporting the joists whilst minimising the risk of rotting the joists. Any advice on installing a system to monitor moisture levels in the joists over time would be very much appreciated. As an engineer, I’m comfortable with the technical aspects of installation and monitoring but need advice on suitable equipment for this purpose and would happily learn from others mistakes!]]>
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		<title>Microwave power consumption</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2021 08:24:52 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>jms452</author>
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			<![CDATA[Slightly embarrassingly our 25 year old microwave clock is uses 10W (Which is about 15% of our total electricity consumption!).<br /><br />It's also nearing the end of its life so I'm wondering if microwave standby has improved in line with other items but looking around the usual sites I can't see standby power mentioned anywhere.<br /><br />To avoid me being 'that guy' with an energy eye plug arguing with the assistant in Currys:<br /><br />Is there a data base for microwave standby power anywhere I'm missing?<br />Has anyone on GBF measured the standby of any current models?]]>
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		<title>ibuttons or something else?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2023 11:46:59 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>RobinB</author>
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			<![CDATA[I need to learn about ibuttons or similar. <br /><br />We're retrofitting a stone end of terrace. It has 100-150mm cavities and there are currently equal views that CWI would be either "a terrible thing, making everything damp" or "by far the best solution" to wall insulation. Inside the house is a wealth of architectural features dado, covings, skirtings that would not make IWI an easy job - plus concerns about cold bridging where the internal walls meet the inner leaf of external walls. EWI not an option due to conservation area.<br /><br />One thought that appeals to me is to install CWI that could be removed relatively easily if all goes pear shaped. I'd like to be able to monitor temp and humidity within the cavity and I'm thinking ibuttons would be the thing? I'm a  bit vague as to what they can do, how long they'll last or how they report. Any info or links appreaciated.]]>
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		<title>Energy Usage spreadsheet</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2022 11:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>barge17</author>
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			<![CDATA[.<br />For years I have been keeping a monthly record of our usage on a simple spreadsheet, screenshot attached. But it messy because each month I have to start a new row four rows down from the last month's, then copy and paste the formulae into the middle row between them.<br /><br />There must be a much tidier way of doing this. 20 years ago I used 'MS Works&quot; and it had a database section where you could make a &quot;card &quot; or something which automatically transfered the figures to a spreadsheet, which could then in turn do some calculations and then generate graphs, etc<br /><br />I would also like to include units such as Therms and KWH and Â£s to make the records more usable. I hope somone can point me in the right direction, please.<br /><br />Nowadays I use either Dropbox or Google Sheets for this sort of thing and find them very good. thanks, D<br />.]]>
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		<title>Best Apps for Energy use &amp; PV export monitoring</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2021 11:47:21 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>jms452</author>
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			<![CDATA[Having recently had a smart meter fitted there are apps out there that can tie into your meter giving you accurate half hourly monitoring without additional hardware.<br /><br />For example I found an app called Octopus Compare that I can code to my smart meter and look at what different tariffs would cost me. I can also see from the Octopus dashboard my usage and export in half hourly blocks so this data should also be available with the right logins.<br /><br />So there must be some cool apps out there that monitor, advise, correlate but when I search I'm mainly finding proprietary software that talks to specific brand inverters.<br /><br />Any recommendations?]]>
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		<title>Solar irradiance</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Feb 2020 17:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>djh</author>
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			<![CDATA[Does anybody know of a source of solar irradiance data?<br /><br />Specifically broken into fairly small areas?<br /><br />I'm trying to forecast how much heat my house needs each day. Apart from the internal and external temperatures, I think the other major factor is solar gain. So I'd like to get hold of records of irradiance over the past year or more and also a 24-hour forecast of irradiance (or longer :)<br /><br />Historical data I can estimate from my solar generation records but it would be good to have an external source to compare against, and a forecast is the most important bit.]]>
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		<title>Drone Recommendation</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jan 2020 09:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>Victorianeco</author>
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			<![CDATA[Anyone on here use a drone? I'm looking to get something basic that can simply do a quick roof survey....<br /><br />Thanks]]>
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		<title>Smart meter data</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>bhommels</author>
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			<![CDATA[Hi All,<br />Bringing up the subject of smart metering once more, as the installation company is starting to pester me (on behalf of the energy supplier) to get one installed.<br /><br />I asked them whether I can have access to the meter data, as this would give me detailed and calibrated monitoring of my electricity import & export and gas use. It would be so nice and morale-boosting to see the effect of the jobs I have planned. <br />I presumed the data would be gathered and stored somewhere, and could be made available for download in some form, as there is a lot to do about data protection nowadays.<br /><br />After making a round of calls following the pointy finger from the installers to the meter network operators to the energy suppliers, they all insist the data is not stored anywhere and that the meter only supplies daily readings to the energy company for billing purposes (although they could not tell me how exactly this happens).<br />This strikes me as odd and I have a hard time taking this for the truth.<br /><br />Does anybody on here managed to gain access to their smart meter data other than by hand? Or any other insights how smart meter data gathering works? Or am I just asking too much?<br /><br />Cheerio, Bart]]>
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		<title>Audification: listening to data</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Oct 2019 19:03:18 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>DamonHD</author>
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			<![CDATA[Hi,<br /><br />I don't know if this sort of thing floats anyone's boat(s) here, but I've been playing with turning some of my data sets into audio, such as today's effort:<br /><br />http://www.earth.org.uk/PV-sounds.html<br /><br />Rgds<br /><br />Damon]]>
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		<title>Sub metering</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2019 18:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>Doubting_Thomas</author>
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			<![CDATA[Given that we're now moved into the new build and into the colder months, I'd like to monitor what fraction our space heaters are as a proportion of our total energy use. <br /><br />Since we're all electric, I'm hoping this should be fairly straightforward with a couple of in-line sub meters. What I'm less sure on is whether there's any benefit to wiring these in permanently - I'm assuming this would be a bit more accurate than a clamp on the wire?<br /><br />What do people recommend as a reliable make (i.e. fit and forget, then check up on it a few months later)..?<br /><br />I don't really want to run these reporting to a permanent data logger as we tend to use the computer infrequently and only have a mobile broadband router so I'm thinking something like a domestic (dumb) power meter with a very basic kWh display, perhaps with the option to reset a second counter periodically (like a car odometer).<br /><br />Thanks in advance.]]>
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		<title>Simple Home Heating Model</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2018 21:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>djh</author>
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			<![CDATA[As a result of a link on the 'Alternative unvented cylinder brands' thread to https://energy-surprises.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/combi-boiler-versus-hot-water-tank.html - I went to the author's own website and came across her Simple Home Heating Model at https://nicola.qeng-ho.org/housemodel/interactive.php<br /><br />It's a very simple model but it endeared itself to me because it let me select 'passivhaus' for the insulation levels :bigsmile: so I thought it was worth posting a link to it here. Heat loss models are oft requested.<br /><br />Nicola is interested to improve it, if we can think of anything and hopefully she will join in here.<br /><br />The main factor that makes it inaccurate in my case is that it currently doesn't take account of solar gains. so that's one area where figuring out what might be an appropriately simple level of adjustment could be useful.]]>
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		<title>Recomendations for energy monitor?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2017 10:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>Jamster</author>
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			<![CDATA[Hi everyone,<br /><br />As part of some planning for PV + battery install (or not), I would like to record our power consumption with as much granularity as possible - down to 15 min or 30 min intervals ideally?  I can access the incoming mains cable - is there a clip on logger / transmitter I can use?<br /><br />I know there are DIY solultions, but I don't have the skills or time really so if anyone has a system or device they can recomend before I plunge into the web, I'd be grateful.<br /><br />Thanks.]]>
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		<title>where to place sensors in the roof</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2017 21:54:05 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>nigelm</author>
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			<![CDATA[I am about to fit a new insulated roof to our barn and wanted to monitor the moisture levels inside the roof.<br /><br />The roof build up from inside out is:-<br />20mm timber board<br />Vapour barrier<br />300mm timber I beam filled with mineral wool<br />20mm wood fibre sarkling board<br />Batterns and tiles.<br /><br />We have a WUFI model that indicates all should be well but i wanted to fit sensors to compare real world against the model. I have some BME280 combined temperatute, RH and pressure semsors but wanted some advicde as where to install them.<br /><br />The stone walls are to be imsulated as wel with 300mm Rockwool batts on the inside and will monitor those as well. <br /><br />i]]>
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		<title>Please recommend a thermal imaging company</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2016 09:25:21 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>delprado</author>
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			<![CDATA[I figure this is the quickest way to determine what I need to concentrate on. I have a 1920s house and live in Bournemouth<br /><br />Thanks!]]>
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		<title>Global Weather</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2016 22:21:58 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>SteamyTea</author>
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			<![CDATA[This is a bit worrying.<br />http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/climate-change-emergency-jet-stream-shift-warning-global-warning-extreme-weather-a7111661.html<br /><br />Worth watching the video.]]>
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		<title>CO2 &amp; humidity</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2016 14:08:16 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>djh</author>
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			<![CDATA[A couple of weeks ago, I hired a CO2 monitor for a few days just to see what actually happens inside our house. The most interesting result I got is from our ensuite, which has an extract valve, and which has a single door opening to our bedroom that has a supply valve.<br /><br />You can see a single spike of humidity to 87% and of CO2 to 1020 ppm. That was when I took a shower with the door closed (the door frame has a slot to allow ventilation air past). You can see how fast the readings come back down as soon as I opened the door. My wife took a shower shortly afterwards but she leaves the door slightly open so there isn't another spike.<br /><br />CO2 climbs a bit overnight and then starts coming down after I get up - I don't use the ensuite in the morning. There's another blip when my wife gets up.]]>
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		<title>Monitoring DHW Cold-Death Alerts...</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2016 14:07:58 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>gyrogear</author>
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			<![CDATA[With kids away, our DHW usage has dropped drastically; we (obviously)  still have the same 250-liter immersion tank, on off-peak tariff.<br /><br />With tank full and hot, it drips hot water to drain, via the safety valve.<br />I considered this â€œwasteâ€ but my electrician said, â€œno it is normal, and fortunately soâ€¦â€<br /><br />Being that way out, I then asked the electric co. They said, â€œYes, it is OK to switch it off a couple of times a week if it is not in full useâ€. (did not mention this to wife, of courseâ€¦).<br /><br />So I started doing my Green Bit, several months back. Obviously, the inevitable happened, and tdy we ended up  with a tankful of tepid water, OH being highly impressed, of courseâ€¦(read, â€œIDTâ€) (or â€œNFMâ€ if youâ€™re from the West Riding)â€¦<br /><br />Soooo, once recovered,  I wired my IR external temperature sensor to the takeoff pipe, thinking that this would record the temperature, which I could then read on my weather stationâ€¦  (even if means sacrificing a channel to gain one, but canâ€™t have everythingâ€¦).<br /><br />Of course all that turned out pretty naff, due to hysteresis etc.  And also need to run HW to get a reading etc. (which in fact eats up more brain power than remembering to check the switch in any caseâ€¦).<br /><br />I then discovered this siteâ€¦ http://board.homeseer.com/showthread.php?t=161028<br /><br />So I have now decided the best solution is to use a wake-up ringtone on my cellphone, each time I touch the Death Breakerâ€¦<br /><br />(My main worry now being, what happens when both the DHW tank AND the cellphone are out of chargeâ€¦).<br /><br />gg<br /><br />(this is what happens when you live in France and omit the "muguet" on 1st May...):sad:]]>
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		<title>Just say â€œNoâ€ to the cloud</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2015 19:21:45 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Ed Davies</author>
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			<![CDATA[GWL/Power is a company in Prague who sell LiFePOâ‚„ cells and associated gubbins. This blog post is pretty blunt but makes a good point worth bearing in mind with the spread of the Internet of Things which Go Bump In the Night:<br /><br />http://gwl-power.tumblr.com/post/130875724381/the-pain-of-the-cloud-solutions-saying-no-to-the<br /><br />â€œThe pain of the cloud solutions. Saying NO to the clouds!<br /><br />Customer A: I have used the Ubiquiti mFi solution in the past. But the mFi cloud has crashed and has been down for many months now, without any support from UBNT. Can you support me as a supplier of the hardware?<br /><br />Customer B: I have used the Involar SEDAS system for monitoring of my solar installation. Now the SEDAS is not working reliably. What will you do for me?<br /><br />Answer: Well, we need to say honestly and openly: We will do nothing for you. <br /><br />Any cloud service or software support is a matter of the manufacturer of the equipment you have decided to buy. If the manufacturer has a problem keeping the service functional, we as â€žthe middle-manâ€ have no ability to do anything for you.  We as a distributor are not responsible in any way for these solutions and services. We suggest you keep contacting the manufacturer, you keep complaining publicly at discussion forums, blogs and web page comments. This may be only way to push the manufacturer to some action.<br /><br />Having been in the IT business since 1970â€™s, we can only say: The cloud is just a dream. What you have is what you have.  We discourage customers to make solutions that rely on the clouds and dreams.<br /><br />Just think: In case of an international conflict you can be 100% sure, your data stored in an enemy country will not be available to you. So do not waste any time with the cloud and on-line systems (Google Apps, Office 365, etc), work on solutions that will be 100% in your own possession.â€]]>
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		<title>Electricity Monitor Recomendations</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2016 09:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>vord</author>
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			<![CDATA[Any recommendations for a fairly low cost electricity monitor which can display real time data and record data over time?   Ideally I would have one for each of 2 consumer units which are inaccessible so wireless display would be necessary.   <br /><br />I'm trying to work out why my electricity usage keeps on going up.  It seems to have risen from Â£1.50/day to Â£2.50/day over a couple of years (calc assuming 11p/kWh).   I've a fair idea it might be something to do with the huge fridge and oven the other half wanted, but would like to see where economies might be made.]]>
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		<title>thermal store monitoring</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2016 17:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>djh</author>
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			<![CDATA[I've finally got around to thinking about adding some monitoring to my thermal store. I've got a bunch of 1-wire temperature sensors (DS18B20) and a Raspberry Pi and some cable and now I just need to decide exactly what I want to do with them. I'd be interested in any thoughts people have, especially from anybody who already has a monitoring system like this!<br /><br />My initial thoughts are to have some sensors up the side of the tank at various levels, and some monitoring the DHW.<br /><br />But how many sensors on the tank? Every foot would give me five sensors up the side. And are there specific places where it is, or isn't worth having a sensor? For example, does a sensor at the very bottom of the tank tell you anything or should I only start at PHE return level or even bottom immersion level?<br /><br />And what is worth monitoring on the DHW output? Presumably input mains temperature and DHW out, but is there anything else to bear in mind?<br /><br />Cheers, Dave]]>
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		<title>Spreadsheet for Meter Readings</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2016 19:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>barge17</author>
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			<![CDATA[Every Month, and sometimes at closer intervals, I record our 3 electric meters, gas meter, and water meter on a spreadsheet. Then I mess about copying and pasting a row of formulas to give me the consumption.<br /><br />I have been looking for some time for a ready made spreadsheet which can make a few charts from my data, but the thing that I realy can't sort myself  (brain fade) is to make it possible to read the meters on any day day of the month to give better resolution of the graph if we are running the log boiler more or less than usual. <br /><br />I wonder if there is anything out there that can be adapted for my purposes?<br /><br />thanks]]>
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		<title>imeasure alternative?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2015 08:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>cromar</author>
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			<![CDATA[I've heard that imeasure will shortly start charging and so I'm looking for an alternative. I would be happy to keep using imeasure if only it had not lost several useful features during a software update a year or so ago.<br />So...I'm looking for a web based thing, or a decent spreadsheet that will let me record my gas and electricity usage weekly if not more often. It will then display lovely graphs of my usage and will probably chart them against the weather and give me an idea of whether or not I'm managing to reduce my usage over the months and years. Imeasure doesn't do a bad job but as I can find nothing on their website to say how much they are going to start charging I'm unwilling to commit to an openended financial pit!<br />Thanks in advance for your help.<br />Dave]]>
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		<title>Free Excel program</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 12:05:50 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>SavingMan</author>
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			<![CDATA[Hi all, i have programmed a little program in Excel, that is yours for free, all i need i some feedback.<br /><br />You can get the program here : http://www.spar-varme.dk<br /><br />You MUST allow macros, otherwise it wont work.<br /><br />You MUST have Access, Excel installed with &quot;Run all from this computer&quot;, otherwise there will be problems with the references in Excel (Visual Basic for Applications).<br /><br />And, its Free.]]>
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		<title>MVHR Temperatrures</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2015 19:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>johnuready</author>
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			<![CDATA[Anybody monitoring their MVHR temperatures at the spigots in/out of the MVHR? I would like to checkout my results. <br /><br />I'm using a Vent Axia Kinetic.]]>
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		<title>RaspberryPi</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:55:14 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>SteamyTea</author>
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			<![CDATA[Well it has eventually turned up with one UK power supply, and an EU one but no memory card.<br />Now I knew there was a reason that I stopped buying from RS several years ago.<br /><br />Shall go looking for a card tomorrow and a lead for the graphics card.]]>
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		<title>New smartphone thermal imager</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2014 11:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>Sprocket</author>
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			<![CDATA[Mentioned in newsletter from Elektor magazine this morning<br /><br />206x156 resolution (similar ball-park to $1500 thermal imagers)<br />Versions for iOS and Android phones.<br />Only $199. <br /><br />http://www.elektor.com/news/Smartphone-Thermal-Imager/<br />http://obtain.thermal.com/category-s/1818.htm<br /><br />I notice it says:-<br /><br />Vanadium Oxide microbolometer<br />Chalcogenide lens<br /><br />I think the typical $1000-$2000 kit from Fluke uses silicon sensors and germanium lenses and I assume Flir is similar too?<br /><br />Any thoughts on what the catch is or whether this is likely to be any good?]]>
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		<title>Policy or Price, or maybe something else</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2014 09:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>SteamyTea</author>
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			<![CDATA[Bit on the Beeb's website about how we use less energy now.<br />http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30518649]]>
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		<title>Moisture monitors within roof fabric?</title>
		<link>https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=12198</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:02:54 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Shevek</author>
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			<![CDATA[We're insulating our existing pitched roof with Icynene and we've added a breather membrane.<br /><br />However I'm still quite worried about the fact that the existing rafters are untreated, so I was wondering about putting moisture monitors in the roof fabric.<br /><br />Is this something any of you guys have done? Can you recommend a product?]]>
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		<title>Home made heat exchanger</title>
		<link>https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=8681</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 18:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>SteamyTea</author>
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			<![CDATA[Some of you may have noticed that I have been talking about making a MVHR unit.  Well this is the data my first attempt.<br />It currently has no control over the incoming air (cold), the outgoing air (hot) is on a timer on the bathroom fan.  You can see exactly when the bathroom is used on this chart and work out how much tea I drink if you are so minded.<br />Between 10:10 and 11:15 I kept the fan on constantly.  The two spike before hand were shower times, guess who has the smaller spike?<br /><br />The unit is pretty basic, just some plates in a box, a couple of fans and some pipe.  Lots of room for improvement, tomorrow I shall go and get another fan with a timer on it.<br />Comments and suggestions welcome.<br /><br />Efficiency has been calculated this way:<br />Î¼t = (t2 - t1) / (t3 - t1)<br />where<br />Î¼t = temperature transfer efficiency<br />t1 = temperature outside air before the heat exchanger (ÂºC)<br />t2 = temperature outside air after the heat exchanger (ÂºC)<br />t3 = temperature inside air before the heat exchanger (ÂºC)<br />Â <br />Â ]]>
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		<title>Watson Solar Plus - Worth it?</title>
		<link>https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=12538</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2014 21:51:31 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Gotanewlife</author>
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			<![CDATA[Any thoughts on this bit of kit:http://www.navitron.org.uk/product_detail.php?proID=902&amp;catID=67<br /><br />I have just changed tariffs and now pay 22p and 46p/Kwh - 17p is from 8pm until 7am plus hols and w/e - these are the headline rates, obviously being Italy it is well complicated...  Anyway, I make about 6500Kwh/pa and use overall about 10% more than I make, and I use about 40% of what I make.  Clear so far?<br /><br />In-laws have moved into an apartment on our ground floor this year and so neither they nor us have an overview of what's being used (one electricity system/meter).  The idea of this tariff is that is designed for 'out all day workers' but it might work for us.  Anyway the Watson thing: the idea is that us and them can see easily what's going on real-time with net availability shown by a green glow - so I would need 2 displays.  They need a little education too and this might help (and if it doesn't we are effectively spying on them  :devil:).  But it is a lot of money, not that I can actually find the second display for sale anywhere on-line).  So whatdoyathink - expensive rubbish, better alternatives, does it work, should I invest in one?<br /><br />I do have one concern and that is the wireless range as I have lots of solid stone walls and solid concrete beamed ceilings - repeater....increase cable length from sensors to sender????<br /><br />PS - not strictly relevant, but I get paid about them same for my exported electricity as I pay for off-peak so this is all about daytime usage.]]>
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		<title>Humidity Meter?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 10:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>dhutch</author>
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			<![CDATA[Its quite clear that they way we are using our house is creating high humidity levels.<br /><br />Can you get useful information from a Â£30 meter from Maplins et al, or are they little more than a gimmick at that level?<br /><br />What I would be interested in is to measure the current level in each room, and then work to reduce it, and take qualitative values as I go along. Obviously to a certain extent it is the the qualitative data thats important, at the moment I know there is an issue as we're getting stupid amount of condensation on the windows, frames, and the uninsulated sections of the sloping ceilings to the point its running down the walls, but curiosity would like to but a figure on it if I can for a sensible price.<br /><br /><br />Daniel]]>
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		<title>New CO2 sensor</title>
		<link>https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=12338</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:10:05 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Sprocket</author>
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			<![CDATA[This may be of interest for those that like to dabble with arduinos and raspberry Pi. It's Â£80 so is pricey but it is an LED NDIR sensor and still a bit more affordable than the Cozir sensors I have been using to date. I will order one to check out shortly.<br /><br />http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/grove-co2-sensor.html]]>
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		<title>AECB Water Standards: metering outdoor tap</title>
		<link>https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=12246</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2014 21:37:20 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Shevek</author>
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			<![CDATA[The AECB water standards require that you have a separate meter for outdoor taps.<br /><br />We're going to sub-meter our entire supply internally and I wondered if this was sufficient to cover this? Or is the idea that you have a separate (additional in our case) meter that only measures your outdoor tap?]]>
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		<title>In situ RH sensors</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 13:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>piersadler</author>
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			<![CDATA[Can anyone suggest an in situ humidity sensor and data logger for putting into my wall and underfloor space.  I want to assess the effects of external wall insulation (and repair of defective render on my wall.]]>
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		<title>Wood moisture content data logger ... does such a thing exist?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2014 17:38:07 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>lineweight</author>
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			<![CDATA[I'm going to be doing some long-term data monitoring to track the effects of an internal wall insulation installation.<br /><br />The most promising system at the moment looks to be one of these <br /><br />http://shop.omnisense.com/p/74/drifi-restoration-monitoring-kit-eu-version<br /><br />(lets me monitor temperature, RH and wood moisture content)<br /><br />The only thing I don't like about that is that it ties you into a monthly contract for access to their server.<br /><br />So I've been checking out alternatives. I can find various things that will let me log temp and RH directly, but it seems impossible to find a wood moisture content sensor that I can embed in the wall long-term and then retrieve data by whatever means (it could be cabled or wireless).<br /><br />It seems surprising, as portable moisture content meters are quite common... I'd have expected to be able to get an embeddable version of the same.<br /><br />Am I missing something or can anyone suggest anything?]]>
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		<title>Neighbours Energy Usage</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 12:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>SteamyTea</author>
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			<![CDATA[I think I use way too much energy in my house, but had no idea how I compare to my neighbours.  So decided, while they are out, to read their meters (we are all electric and the houses are the same size, though one is the end of terrace with the main wall NW facing, they get the larger garden though).<br />The occupancy is as follows:<br />House A (the end of terrace one), two adults, 1 small child, grandparents often do daycare.<br />House B (mine) usually occupied all day, one disabled person and me, tight with the heating.<br />House C Two adults, both working, one only mornings<br /><br />Last 24 hours energy use:<br /><br />House A 55 kWh<br />House B 11 kWh<br />House C 22 kWh<br /><br />I suspect that A and B have their heating on.]]>
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		<title>How many gigawatts!?... Gridwatch</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2014 14:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>Sprocket</author>
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			<![CDATA[I came across this some time ago.<br />I searched and couldn't find any reference to it on GBF so I assume some of you that may be interested in such things might not be aware of it.<br /><br />UK National Grid Status:-<br /><br />http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/<br /><br />There is a link on there for Gridwatch France too.<br />They also have some historical data you can download although I haven't tried it.<br /><br /><br />Also some similar info here:-<br /><br />http://www.ukpowergeneration.info]]>
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		<title>Infra-red Photography</title>
		<link>https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=8418</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 11:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>SteamyTea</author>
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			<![CDATA[There has often been a few questions about infra-red cameras.<br />How about an old 35mm and some infra-red film.<br />50mm lens gets around the problem of a narrow field of view and a bit of scanning and photoshopping can soon make it a colour image.<br /><br />Now where is my old Zenith EM]]>
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		<title>Current Humidity Reading</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2014 11:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>andyman99</author>
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			<![CDATA[Is it possible to get current humidity level data? On the met office site, if you select UK observations, then it doesn't appear to have a humidity column. If you select forecast then it does, but I presume that is just an educated guess. I want to see if any of my devices that measure humidity are accurate, as they give vastly differing readings. Otherwise any ideas about how to calibrate to a rough level?]]>
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		<title>SQL</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Feb 2014 14:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>SteamyTea</author>
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			<![CDATA[I have access to the Met Office weather database.  This sounds impressive but is really just a bunch of text files.  Large text files mind, and this is the problem.  Once I have merged each years files (The DOS Copy command is just brilliant, had forgotten about it) I end up with a file that can be approaching 10 GB.  This is too large for Access or Excel to handle.<br />I was wondering if one of the flavours of SQL could handle it.  And if it can how easy is it to use.<br />All I really need to do is some conditional searching on location and time and maybe a bit of stats work on them, though Excel does this nicely (and charting).<br />Anyone an expert on SQL?]]>
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		<title>Remote Data Logging</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 12:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>Robur</author>
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			<![CDATA[Hi,<br /><br />Just read the Raspberry Pi thread - looking really good.<br /><br />In the post this morning I got my CISECO EVE http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ciseco/eve-alpha-raspberry-pi-wireless-development-hardwa which plugs onto the Raspi to give you wireless options a-plenty.  I havn't tried it yet but perhaps over the coming hols.  Dealing with Linux might take some getting used to but all good fun learning.<br /><br />At the moment I'm using SolderCore which is a real treat and so much more robust than my previous Arduino based get up: http://www.airsensor.co.uk/component/zoo/item/soldercore-co2-shield-to-cosm-sd-card.html <br /><br />The code it written in BASIC and is sweetly short/easy to read :-).... all good fun.]]>
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		<title>Blower Door calculation spreadsheet - ATTMA TSL1</title>
		<link>https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11622</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jan 2014 15:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>Robur</author>
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			<![CDATA[Hi,<br /><br />I have been hunting around for a spreadsheet that calculates the results of a blower door test according to the ATTMA TSL1 protocol and failed badly :-(.... anyone know of an existing spreadsheet that is out there in the wild for public use?<br /><br />http://www.attma.org/downloads/#.Utf_e7QpdGI]]>
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		<title>PV+ASHP - dream team or what?</title>
		<link>https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4185</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:09:07 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>ratmin</author>
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			<![CDATA[I'm looking for research and monitoring info into real life use of PV combined with ASHPs. I'm working with people who want to use this combination but have no hard evidence to back up my personal doubts, which are based on my understanding that on grey cold days when heat is most needed PV produces nothing and COP of ASHP plummets. Any comments, ideas or links please?]]>
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		<title>Hygrothermal Monitoring</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jul 2013 20:30:43 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Noodle</author>
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			<![CDATA[As part of planning works to our listed farmhouse (solid granite walls) in Devon we've been talking to a local company who are involved with a lot of the current SPAB research into internal insulation. <br /><br />In particular we were hoping they would help us with a &quot;in situ Material Thermal Conductivity&quot; test - apparently to  estimate your existing u value by drilling core samples - rather than monitoring over cold periods - (quicker and can be done any time of year). And also more importantly help monitor and log Interstitial condensation or: &quot;Interstitial Hygrothermal Gradient Monitoring&quot; as they phrase it! To monitor the changes we make and help inform the debate.<br /><br />Anyway to cut it short this costs far more than we anticipated ( think many thousands), I know a lot of people here do various monitoring so thought there must be a way for us to do this ourselves, does anyone know of any home/diy approaches? Albeit slightly less professionally than the experts super expensive kit and monitoring devices?]]>
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		<title>Two properties on One water meter</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Nov 2013 12:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>barge17</author>
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			<![CDATA[Good Morning,<br />        <br />       I have a bit of a dilemma, the obvious thing to do would be to ask United Utilities the question, but as you will see, that could become very expensive.<br /><br />  30 years ago we established a smallholding about 600metres down a narrow lane and installed a water meter in the land where our supply joins the village main water supply pipe. Our pipe is 32mm MDPE and has given excellent service, never leaking over the period, and pressure at our end has always been great.<br /><br />However, about 20 years ago we built and sold another house, keeping the one supply for both properties with the agreement that we pay the bill and the other owner reimburses us with a proportion of it. <br /><br />If we now decide to have a meter for each property, the only straightforward way to do that would be to dig the whole length of the lane again for a new pipe with all the reinstatement cost and upset. What I would like to do is split the pipe at the junction between the two house supplies, and install 2 meters, but I doubt whether the water authority would agree to coming down the lane to read them and somebody would need to take the risk of the pipe leaking down the length of the lane, which sounds fair enough to me.<br /><br />As far as I know, I don't think remote reading meters are used yet. Anyone have an idea which way to go?<br /><br />thanks, Barge17]]>
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		<title>emoncms / Windows</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 13:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>Sprocket</author>
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			<![CDATA[Emoncms is the data analysis/display front end of Open Energy Monitor.<br /><br />Has anyone here run it on Windows?<br /><br />I know most folks here probably run it on Linux but I would prefer not to set up another box (my existing home server is Windows Home Server 2008).<br />The instructions suggest it is possible on Windows but it looks a bit of a faff so I thought I would check before wasting much time on it.]]>
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		<title>Cheap metering for oil boiler</title>
		<link>https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11312</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Oct 2013 08:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>GaryB</author>
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			<![CDATA[My primary source of heating is an oil boiler and I really want to meter its consumption.<br /><br />I can't use a Watchman or Apollo oil gauge to assist as the plastic tank has complex geometry - I can tell when it's full, exactly half full or empty but haven't a clue about in between.<br /><br />At present I am assessing the consumption based on observed burner run times during start-up / 1st hour and for the maintained hours. This works reasonably well for the moment, as long as I don't adjust the set temperature or change the timer settings.<br /><br />I have researched the oil meters on the market and am not prepared to pay around Â£250-Â£300 as this is the cost of my annual oil use.  There are cheaper delivery flow meters on the market but these arenot accurate below 10 litres/min and my burner flow rate is 1.92 litres/hour.<br /><br />I was thinking of measuring the burner hours run or the electical energy used.  As the burner uses 103 Watts of electical energy to produce 19.2 kW of thermal and it is either 100% on or off, it's a straightforward calculation. For the latter option I have an Owl monitor which I can try, but I have found it to be pretty inaccurate at low energy use and it only seems to accept a single sensor, so electricity and oil could not be monitored.<br /><br />Any ideas as to how this could be done for a budget of Â£50 to Â£60?]]>
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		<title>Solar Thermal Output</title>
		<link>https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11221</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Oct 2013 03:25:12 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>johnuready</author>
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			<![CDATA[Anybody running a 12 a tube Vaillant Solar Thermal system (or similar system), Hertfordshire / Essex area. What KWh are you producing?]]>
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